Meet Jason Capital, a founder and chairman of Capital Research International! In his early 20s, he earned and lost a fortune. Today, he is one of the world’s most recognized success trainers who came here to talk about the business of high status and to show you how to build the right skills and become a person of power and influence. Jason has already served as a coach and a consultant to fortune 500 executives, professional athletes, navy seals, and bestselling authors. So, join the line and learn what high status is, why some people fail and others succeed in network marketing, and how Jason would use his skills to close deals.

• What those who had a chance to participate in our workshop like about it
• Where you can learn how to build your lead machine that will find and produce quality sellers
• How Jason Capital became super-rich in his early 20s, lost the money, and what he learned from that experience
• What high status is and how Jason became interested in it
• Why some people fail and others succeed in network marketing
• Who is his ideal client and what he does to help them
• The 3 high-income skills
• How Jason got inspired to move to Puerto Rico
• Why there are generous tax benefits and incentives in that country
• Why building business is not a number game
• How Jason would organize a secret interview to get deals from distressed owners
• Where you can find Jason’s high-income skills training
• The 3 guiding principals for his success

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Hey Matt Theriault here on The Epic Real Estate Investing Show. I got a hot show for you today. We’re going to talk about high status. We’re going to see if you have it. If you want it and you don’t have it, we’re going to show you how to get it, right here on Thought Leader Thursday.

All right, so welcome. On today’s episode of Thought Leader Thursday, I am joined by founder and chairman of Capital Research International. For 11 years, he has served as coach and consultant to Fortune 500 executives, professional athletes, Navy SEALs, bestselling authors, and Hollywood luminaries. He has been recognized as a top 100 entrepreneur by former president Barack Obama.

His key to winning the game of life isn’t money, a prestigious degree, or even keeping up with the Kardashians. The latest science reveals that the key is high status, the secret sauce that has enabled the world’s most successful people to achieve the life of their dreams in no time at all. We like that.

When he was 23, he woke up one morning with only $23 to his name, coincidentally. Feeling stuck and overwhelmed, he realized that he wasn’t going to win the game of life based on what he learned at school and from his parents, but he turned it around in less than a year by applying high status techniques.

He’s now the world’s number one success trainer that shows people how to harness the cutting edge technology, take control of their own destiny, and become a person of power, influence, and remarkable achievement.

Please help me welcome to the show, Mr Jason Capital. Jason, welcome to Epic Real Estate Investing.

Jason Capital: Thank you, Matt. Great to be here. After that incredible introduction, I have a high bar to live up to now.

Matt: Yeah. That was actually, I think, maybe the longest introduction I’ve ever done here on the show, but you’ve got a lot of credits, and what you do is rather unique, so wanted to make sure I painted a really good picture and introduced you, just to let everybody know who you are.

Let’s start, all right? Jason, 23 years old with $23 to your name. You made $1 a year your whole life, right?

Jason: If I’d saved it, yeah.

Matt: Yeah, right? You turned it all around in less than a year by applying high status techniques. This is very intriguing to me. Was there something specific that you had at 23 years old with $23, or were you just a normal 23 year old?

Jason: I was not a normal 23 year old whatsoever. I played basketball my whole life, and I played in college basketball. When I was 20 years old, I stopped playing college basketball, and I was a normal college kid at Michigan State University. Hated everything traditional. Hate the nine to five is probably … The whole idea just-

Matt: This was almost a year for them, this year, wasn’t it?

Jason: Yeah. They almost made it. Yeah.

Matt: They almost made it.

Jason: Almost made it. But I’m there, and I didn’t know what I wanted to do. In fact, I had a college professor who … I was a total goof off in class. I literally, I was like Ferris Bueller. I brought a newspaper to class, and I would hold it up in front of my face just to let the teacher know, “In case you couldn’t tell I wasn’t paying attention, trust me, I’m not paying attention.”

The professor pulls me aside after and is like, “Hey, you need to figure out what you want to do with your life, young man.” I’m like, “I don’t know what I want to do. I just know I don’t want to do what you do.” She’s literally says this, she goes, “Well, do you think I wanted to be a college professor?” She goes, “That’s not what I wanted to do, but I need to pay bills. I take care of people. I’m doing what I need to do. You need to do the same.” I’m like, there is no way I’m settling for this in my life.

I’d heard about these people who make money online, right? I’d looked at them. I had never gone for it, but there was this marketing seminar in Washington DC that I had a chance to go to. I’m like, “Screw it. I’m going.”

I go there, and I meet a guy who maybe you know or have heard of, his name is Craig Valentine. I meet Craig, and he takes me under his wing for whatever reason, and he guides me a little bit, and he gives me a plan. I go back to Michigan State, in my dorm room, and I build an online business, and I’m making $20,000 a month at 20 years old in the very first month I launched this thing.

I drop out. I buy a convertible. I parked the convertible next to my professor’s cars, so she can see it. We had a little discussion there, and I got the revenge out of my way.

I had this business that was making multiple six figures at 20, 21, 22. Around 23, I had moved to California, and I had gotten this card that made it legal to smoke green plants called marijuana. I had a bad habit with that. The more I smoked, the less money I made. Not that there was a correlation, but I just wasn’t focused. It was at that point that I literally had 23 bucks left to my name, because the whole business had just completely sputtered out of control. I had to move back home. I actually lived in my mom’s basement for about six months then.

So I wasn’t a normal 23 old. I had some online marketing experience. I had some understanding-

Matt: You were the online marketer that lived in your mom’s basement.

Jason: At that point, yes.

Matt: You were that guy.

Jason: Yeah.

Matt: Okay.

Jason: I was that guy, yeah. I wasn’t down there eating Cheetos, being a fat ass, but I was definitely down there. I just had to take a full inventory, like, “Jason, why the fuck did you fuck up so much, and how can you make sure it doesn’t happen again?”

There was two things I realized. One is I’m really big on this principle called Kaizen, and I’m sure you’ve heard the term before. It means constant and never-ending improvement.

Matt: Yep.

Jason: I realized that my original business had failed because I had stopped Kaizening the things in my life. I had stopped pushing my skills, my craft, my business, my relationships, my networking, just even a little inch each day. I had stopped doing that. If you’re not going forward, we know it’s cliche, but you’re going backwards. That was part of it.

The other part was I had just let my own personal habits deteriorate. Obviously with the marijuana and all the other stuff, I was hanging out with the wrong people, et cetera.

It was those two things that I had to fix, and I fixed those. In less than nine months, I became a millionaire. I was a millionaire at 24, and it’s just gone and gone and grown since then.

Matt: Right. Great. Can you think back, because I’ve never had a guest who actually said, “I saw this thing where I could make money online, so I gave it a shot.” Because I remember back, just when I started into real estate, and I got a little bit of a slow start. I got involved in this multilevel marketing company. I was building an email list on AWeber, and I noticed they had an affiliate link. I sent the affiliate link to my entire downline. I got one email back, said, “You just earned $78.” That, I don’t think I had made another dime from online for another two years, but that right there, that held me, and I said, “Yes. That was so cool.” Do you have a moment like that, where is like, “Boom. This is it.”?

Jason: Yeah. Well, so I take that plan that I got from that seminar, and I launched my ebook online. The very first day, we made $7,000. I had never held more than a hundred dollar bill in my hand, so to see seven grand come in at 20 years old was … I just remember, I got …

I drove a Jeep Liberty back then, because that’s what my parents got me, which is not the most masculine car. Let’s be honest. I’m in a Jeep Liberty, and I blast Rick Ross, and I put the windows down, and I just bumped that shit across campus, and I think I’m the richest motherfucker in the world with my seven grand.

Matt: Yeah, I get it. I think I felt pretty darn rich that day too, even though it was only 78 bucks. It just felt so good, you know? It was like a drug almost.

Tell me, what is high status? Tell me all about this, and how did you become aware of them?

Jason: The way I made my first million at 24 was my second online business, which was a dating business. I ran a little relationship and dating advice company for men. I don’t know if you know anything … Do you know anything about the pickup artist space or any [crosstalk 00:08:40]?

Matt: Yeah, I know a couple of people have got their big starts there, some of the household marketer names. Yeah.

Jason: Yeah, cool, yeah. That’s where I got my start. Most of that community, the way they taught guys to improve their skills with women was pickup lines. Say this, don’t say this, that sort of thing. It didn’t work for most guys. It worked for me, because I’m in shape.

Matt: Because you’re you.

Jason: And I’m me, yeah, right? It worked for me, and it worked for some of my friends, and it worked for some of my clients, but for most guys, it wasn’t working that well. Then when you get online, and you tell guys to say things like …

If I tell a guy in an email to say this to a girl, he has no idea how to say it. For instance, you could say to a girl, for instance, “You appear very fashionable tonight,” right? That’s a little cute line, like a little compliment. You could say that in a really flirty way that’s intriguing, or you could say that in a really, really creepy way, if you say [crosstalk 00:09:35]. Right. You could be like, “You appear very, very fashionable tonight.” She’d be like, “Who the hell is this?”

Matt: Right.

Jason: Yeah. That was a big thing. I would get emails back from clients, or people who read my newsletters or products, and it’s not working for them. I’m like, I got to get to the bottom of it. So I hold this seminar, and I invite everyone to come for free. I get several hundred guys there. I meet them in person for the first time, Matt, and I realized why the lines aren’t working. I meet them. I’m like, “Oh, it’s because you’re a loser. I get it.”

I mean that in the nicest way possible. It’s like, “Oh, because you dress like shit, you have terrible body language. You don’t know anything about how to project or vocal tonality. You can’t make eye contact. Of course no woman’s going to be attracted to you,” right? I realized this whole community had it backwards. It wasn’t about teaching them what to say, it was teaching guys how to say things, how to carry themselves in a high status way, which came down to body language, vocal tonality and eye contact. Those were the big three.

I changed my whole coaching and all the brand to focus on those three things. All of a sudden, our students are getting these incredible results that just shit on the rest of the competitors in the marketplace. That was where that concept came from.

A couple few years ago … I’ve been in a relationship for six years now. Very, very happy. I don’t go out six nights a week and pick up girls. That’s not my life anymore, so I wasn’t passionate about that business. I made the shift into personal development, and helping people live really a bad ass life. That was one concept I thought I could bring into the marketplace that no one else knew and no one else talked about, because I had this very unique background coming from the dating space.

The truth is, as you know, business is all about people. It’s all about relationships. If you’re not carrying yourself in a way that’s charismatic, or makes people want to learn more about you, or be friends with you, or introduce you to their friends or their business contacts, you’re fucked. Presenting yourself in a high status way goes a very long way.

You mentioned MLM and network marketing before. As you know, most people fail in network marketing, and a few succeed. If you look at the ones who succeed, you notice they have certain traits they all have in common, and it’s usually they’re very persuasive people. They’re very energetic, and they exhibit a lot of high status traits as well.

Matt: Yup. It really is, it’s their posture, and it’s their, I don’t know, I guess cleanliness, the way they present themselves. They just look neat and clean, and their shoulders are back, their head is high, and the chest is out. They don’t even have to be good looking to be very successful at doing that. By carrying that posture,

 [inaudible 00:12:00] kind of trumps everything. So that was a good point. I’ve seen so many of them on stage before. I was like, “Who is this clown?” And then they start talking, and you’re like, “Oh, that’s who this guy is.” Right?

Jason: Yes.

Matt: So today, who is your ideal client, and how do you help them?

Jason: So what I do today is I help people replace rat race income with laptop income. So we take people who maybe have a normal nine to five, or they just finished college, and they don’t want a normal life. And we equip them with what I call “high income skills.” In my industry, there’s a lot of people. A lot of people know there’s the Tai Lopezes, there’s the grant Cardones, there’s the Dan loks … There’s a lot of people out there teaching similar stuff, or positioning themselves in a similar way. But a lot of them focus on gimmicks, like, “Here’s a quick, fast, easy way to make money tonight,” kind of stuff. And I don’t know about you, but I think quick fixes are bullshit. They don’t actually work. Right?

So what I want to do is equip people with what we call high income skills. And the big three to me, are copy, closing, speaking, right? Copy, like words that get cash, right? The words you say to persuade a closing. Can you close deals? Can you close people? Right? And then speaking, right? Your vocal tonality, your storytelling, your videos, social media, all that kind of stuff. So my experience has been, if I can get someone good at copy, closing, speaking, I don’t care what business plan you give them, or what industry they go into, they’re going to succeed.

Matt: Of those three, which one you think is most important?

Jason: I would say copy, and I would say it simply because, man, words are just so important, right? Like what’s the difference between me saying to you, “Matt, you’re lying,” versus “Matt, you’re mistaken,” right? Like one word can change an entire emotional response, and a lot of people out there … And the reason I say copy, by the way, is because everyone’s so fucking addicted to their phones today, that they suck at socializing. They’re bad speakers, they’re bad communicators, and we can fix all that. And I like fixing all that, but it’s easier for me to just teach them how to pick the right words that they can type on their computer and send off on a sales letter, or a webinar, or a video, or email, or whatever, than it is to … I can just get them a result faster by teaching them copy, than I can speaking. So to me, it’s copy, man. What about you?

Matt: Yeah. let’s see, copy, closing, speaking. I think copy too, because it’s something that I’ve taken on just recently. I’ve been working with Frank Kern for the last year, and boy, he’s just a genius. He talks in copy, like that’s the way he talks. And it’s just like, I just want to follow him around with a recording device all the time. But I just see how much of a difference it’s made in my business already, so I’ve made a commitment to become a good copywriter. I think I’ve always been a good writer. I’ve always had elements of being persuasive, but I’m really trying to create the skill out of it, and I’m really incorporating it into my real estate investing business. We’ve changed a lot of our direct mail pieces. We’ve changed our letters, and we just … I know that we sound and look different than everybody else out there that’s doing what we’re doing, and the results are starting to show. So that’s just enough feedback for me to keep on going.

Jason: That’s awesome, man. Yeah, that’s great.

Matt: It’s great. It’s totally great. Let’s see, what’s my next question I got going on here? What do you like most about what you do?

Jason: So, dude, I live in Puerto Rico now. So what I love most about Puerto Rico, besides the incredible weather of course, is the incredible legal tax benefits that we’re given here. So I like that. That’s not … But living here, like I wake up and I live on the ocean, so I get to hear the waves coming in every morning. I wake up, I do my morning ritual on the beach, and then at that point, I can do whatever the hell I want to do that day. Right? And that, to me, is the ultimate joy of what I do. It’s my favorite thing. It’s why I love to do what I do. But more than that, like I don’t want to go … Like I don’t ask my … Like there’s that Dean Jackson question, right, which is he wakes up and he says, “What would I like to do today?” And so long as he can do his answer, he’s good. Right?

Matt: Right.

Jason: And his answer might be go golf, or hanging out a coffee shop, or whatever. When I ask myself that question, that’s never my answer. My answer is always like, “What can I create of value today that will drive my business forward and help and impact more people?” Like I’m a very like, “Let’s do some shit. Let’s build some shit. Let’s make some videos. Let’s do some awesome stuff.” Like I’m such a big believer in mastery. Mastery is my number one value above all else, like finding my zone, my race, and then my skill, my gift, whatever you want to call it, and then working on that as much as I possibly can to get as good at it as I possibly can. That’s where I’ve found the most joy.

So the fact that I can wake up, and I can just hone my craft, and work on that skill is … That’s my reward. I feel like a lot of the people who come to me, they might be an Uber driver, they might be an insurance salesman, they might be a real estate agent. They might … I get a lot of doctors for some reason too, but they have normal jobs. And their hobbies, their passions, that one thing that they love, they don’t have the time for it. Yeah, they could wake up earlier, but they don’t. Yeah, they could do it after work, but they’re already exhausted. They don’t have the time to do what they love, and I get to do it all day. So by far, dude, that’s the joy.

Matt: That’s great. Let’s back up a bit and talk about Puerto Rico and what inspired the move, because I am actually, in a couple months, I’m moving out of California for the same reason, or for a similar reason. Not going to Puerto Rico, but I’m certainly going to be in a much more advantageous position, state tax-wise. What are the benefits? Why would you move out to Puerto Rico, and say, not to a Texas, a 0% state tax?

Jason: Got you. So there is no federal tax in Puerto Rico.

Matt: No federal tax either?

Jason: There’s no federal tax. So obviously, a place like Texas or Nevada, there’s no state tax. So like me, like I used to live in California where you live now, and I think it’s 13.3% is the state tax or something.

Matt: Yep.

Jason: It’s insane. And for guys like us who are doing pretty significant volume, that’s a huge chunk of cash, especially for you in real estate. Like you’re like, “How many properties could I buy with this fucking money I’m paying in state taxes,” right?

Matt: Totally. Totally.

Jason: Yes. So I just … Like when I was 25 years old, that was my second year, where I actually was doing multiple seven figures, I had to cut a check to Uncle Sam for $516,000, and that was after paying my quarterlies. That was how much more I had to pay. And it was one of the hardest … Like I had the money, but it was not fun at all. And that was the first strike. And then I got smart, and I set up an S corp, and C corp, and a foundation. We had a nice little thing going there. Like I had a really good money team around me.

But still, like this past year, I talked to my CPA, and he goes, “Jason, let’s have a quick Zoom call. I’ll show you what your 2019 could look like.” And I was just looking at these numbers, and man, I’m just like, “There’s no way I’m paying this. I refuse. I feel like I’m being robbed. This is theft. I’m done.” And I had known a couple people that had moved to Puerto Rico. I’d heard about what they call, it’s Act 20 and Act 22. And you can go online, and everyone, I encourage you to do the research for yourself, Act 20 and Act 22, and just see what it’s about.

And in general, what it is, if you move to Puerto Rico and you move your business to Puerto Rico, and you spend more than half the year, so 183 days, in Puerto Rico, and you of course get the Act 20 and Act 22, you get approved for it, which is a pretty standard process, you will pay a 4% tax overall. There’s no state, there’s no federal, no social security, there’s none of the random taxes, nothing, just 4% total. And that was my big motivation. It was that plus, you know what? I am aware that my business sells a laptop lifestyle, and how much better proof can I have than, “Hey, I just moved to a fucking beach in Puerto Rico,” right?

So then I had both of those working in my favor. And I’ll just tell you, when I came out here and I met with the CPA to kind of discuss how it would work last year, we went to the cafe and we got coffee. And the check came, and I’m like, “I got it.” So I put the credit card down. Check comes back. I’m getting the bill, the receipt. I’m writing on the receipt who I’m with, why I’m there, right? The whole thing I’m used to doing. And I put the receipt away, and he looks at me smiling. I’m like, “What?” He goes, “You realize, by next year you’ll never have to do that again.” That’s the dream. I don’t have to save receipts. That’s amazing.

And the reason being of course is that, dude, you’re paying a 4% tax. You’ll deduct what you should deduct, but it’s not that … It’s like I actually get to keep the money I make, and I know that’s a far out concept for a lot of entrepreneurs out there. And dude, that to me … And you know what’s interesting is, dude, I moved out here. There is a giant community of really successful online entrepreneurs who were already out here and are already … have been doing this for several years. There’s a guy who lives right next door to me who he was on Joe Rogan’s podcast just the other day. His name’s Peter Schiff. And he’s a, yeah, a really, really smart guy.

Matt: Big financial guy. Yeah. I know a lot of my-

Jason: Big, big financial …

Matt: … audience knows who he is.

Jason: Yeah. Peter Schiff. Awesome, dude. I saw him at the gym earlier today. Like it’s just there’s a bunch of these people here, really, really smart people who were just like, “Fuck these ridiculous taxes. I’m out.”

Matt: Got it. Okay, so two questions now. This is going to turn into a whole different episode.

Jason: Do it, man. I don’t care. Let’s do it. Yeah.

Matt: So Puerto Rico is a US territory. What is the reason for this benefit or this incentive?

Jason: Got you. So they wanted a way to stimulate their own economy. So they figure offering entrepreneurs the ability to come here and do business here, they’re going to get a lot more people to come out here, and then those people will hire Puerto Ricans and things like that. So I have several employees now that are Puerto Rican. You’re not required to have any Puerto Rican employees. I have a couple, and I’m eating at restaurants, and I’m buying cars, and I’m actually investing in some properties out here, so like I’m putting money into their economy. And I think a lot of the people that come here do that.

Matt: Got It. So if I have the timeline right, you’ve been there about, what, six months or so?

Jason: Dude, four months.

Matt: Four months? Okay.

Jason: Yup.

Matt: And then so you’ve been there four months. What would you say are the things you’re like, “Eh, not too excited about this part,” or any downfalls, any cons that you’ve discovered yet?

Jason: Totally. Yeah. Hey, I’m not going to tell you it’s all unicorns and rainbows. Some of the biggest issues I had was … The first one was the internet by far. Like when we moved in, it took about a week. We had internet from the start, but it was slow, and it was spotty. So it took a while to get that person out here to fix it. That took a week though. That’s not bad at all. The internet’s good. Other than that, there’s definitely parts of Puerto Rico that are still beat up from Hurricane Maria, which was two years ago, that they still haven’t fixed. You’ll see random phone lines down in the middle of nowhere.

The other thing though is I live in a very, like kind of close gated community, and it’s almost like a resort where a lot of entrepreneurs live. It’s expensive to live here, but if you can swing it, I would recommend doing it here because I am surrounded by more successful, good-hearted entrepreneurs here than I’ve ever been in my entire life, like anywhere in America. I told my friends when I first moved out here, I went like … There’s literally like online marketing mixers where I live. It’s like, I didn’t even have that back in Newport Beach. Right? I’m used to live in Orange County. So there’s that, right? And I literally told my friends when I moved out here after a couple of these mixers I went to, I was like, “Dude, I feel poor and stupid here,” which is like the best way to be. Like these guys are smarter than me, so I’m learning, and they make more money than me, so I’m going to be more motivated. This is a really good spot.

Other things that maybe could be better, like dude, I’m racking my brain. There’s not much. Like all the normal Costco, all the restaurants, the Outback Steakhouses, the chain restaurants, they’re all here. Movie theaters are all here. There’s malls. If someone’s got a wife who likes Chanel or Gucci, all the stores are here. Like all the normal stuff is here. It’s just like America. I still get Amazon Prime. It’s still, it’s basically the same.

Matt: Nice. Yeah, my wife is from Puerto Rico, and she still has family there. And I’ve heard about … You’re not the first person to share these tax advantages with me before. And I said, “Well, could we? Because you’ve got family there. We could pick up and go.” And she goes, “You’ll hate the weather.” So how are you feeling about the weather?

Jason: I’m in love with it.

Matt: Well she said hot and humid, which she knows I hate. And she says it’s over the top there.

Jason: So obviously the rule is you have to be here more than six months.

Matt: Right.

Jason: Right? So I came here in January, and I’ll be here until July, and then I’ll come back in November. So those months, like August, September, October, which I think when it gets muggiest, I won’t be here. So if that was your issue, then I would say just [inaudible 00:23:51].

Matt: Just pick the right six months to be there.

Jason: Exactly. Yeah.

Matt: Perfect. Well, Jason, you get to talk about business. You’re talking about

… copy and closing and speaking. You talk about money and laptop lifestyle. What would you like to talk about more that you don’t get the opportunity to?

Jason: Man, that’s a really good question. Actually, something I do all the time is yoga. I’m a huge yoga guy, and it never comes up in conversation. I’ll just say this for anyone out there, because I think in our phone-addicted culture, where everyone’s got digital dementia and all this stuff, yoga … I know people are stressed. I know that a lot of people have anxiety, and they’re overwhelmed and all this stuff, and the ability for an hour a day to shut off all distractions and your phones and your laptops, and then get back into your body and breathe in a practice where it’s not competitive, it’s simply …

Yoga isn’t, to me it’s not a physical workout. It is a meditation that puts you back in your body and builds you to be more accepting of yourself and all your eccentricities and stuff like that, and then the workout is secondary.

So, for entrepreneurs, I’m just telling you, anyone who’s out there hard-charging, and you’re like, you would never think of doing yoga, the person who’s listening right now and is like, “I would never do yoga,” that is exactly the person who should do yoga.

Matt: It should fit, right?

Jason: Yes.

Matt: Yeah, it’s funny, my wife just went to a five-day personal development course that I’m going to be doing later. She says, “I want to go home. I don’t want to be here.” And I’m like, “That is why you should stay.” Right?

Jason: Yes. That’s exactly right.

Matt: What commonly-held truth do you disagree with?

Jason: All right. Wow, that is a great question. That’s a Peter Thiel question, isn’t it?

Matt: Yeah, I think you gave me this question. Remember I said I was asking in the-

Jason: I think Alex and Rosie. I wish I could take the [crosstalk 00:25:43]-

Matt: Oh, okay. Maybe it was.

Jason: … who is brilliant also.

Matt: Yeah.

Jason: All right. Man, that is a great question.

Matt: Last week I had Grant Cardone on, and-

Jason: Is that right?

Matt: Yeah. He ran off about 20 commonly-held truths he disagree with. He was ready. He had them at the ready.

Jason: He was ready to go. I mean, there’s so many things. Since I was a kid, I’ve always been I guess what you call a free thinker. I’ve always disagreed with basically everybody on everything. Like, I remember being seven and asking my dad, I was like, “Why do they keep time? Like, who the hell cares? This is stupid.” I’m like 11, and I’m like, “Dad, why do they wear blue jeans? They’re blue. They’re jeans. They’re not comfortable. Why would you wear those? Wouldn’t you rather wear sweat pants? Isn’t that more comfortable?” Those are really things that I’ve always thought about, I’ve always disagreed with.

So, one commonly-held truth would be, how about this: Building your business is a numbers game. I think that’s not true at all. I think it’s a people game and a relationship game, by far, and I think if anyone wants to make money online, or really offline, online, is what kind of relationship are you developing with your prospects and your customers? I think so many people out there are like, “What do the numbers say? Let’s drive up the conversions. Let’s do a hard close here. Let’s follow up super hard.” All that stuff is good. I love selling. I love closing. Right?

Matt: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jason: But, if we just put the focus on how can I deliver just an exorbitant, exquisite, insane, magnificent amount of value to my customers in ways they never even imagined were possible, then all the money and closes and sales, they just come naturally, and I think if we just put the focus on creating obsessed … I want my customers to be addicted to what we do, like chemically addicted to it, not because I’m putting cocaine in the fucking courses, but because the content and what it does for them on a deep, spiritual level is just so powerful that they would never dream of going anywhere else. I think if more people did that, then they’d be way better off.

Matt: Yeah. Gary V. has a version of that. He wants to guilt people into doing people with him. Right?

Jason: I like that, yeah.

Matt: I’ll make you … And then Frank’s thing is, “I show people I can help them by actually helping them first before they’re clients.” Right?

Jason: Yes.

Matt: So, you’re in good company there.

Jason: [crosstalk 00:27:56] Yeah, and the Gary V. thing is funny to me. I was talking with a buddy of mine about it, and you know how he talks about how he never sells? Right? That’s his whole thing. I just give and I give and I give. I never … That guy sells more products than all of us combined. He’s got wine. He’s got sneakers. He’s got his actual agency. He’s got his $10,000 days. He’s constantly selling.

I think that’s the ultimate trick. If someone’s a guru or you’re front-facing, you have a platform or an audience, is how can you convince your audience that you never sell while you sell all the time? That’s a really good … And that comes back to our positioning yourself as the advisor as opposed to the sales person.

Matt: Well, he has the one comment, he says, “Don’t listen to what I say, watch what I do.”

Jason: Right.

Matt: Right?

Jason: Right, yeah.

Matt: And he’s selling all time when he’s [crosstalk 00:28:44] –

Jason: But the irony of that is if you listen to him say that then you’re not listening to what he’s doing.

Matt: Exactly.

Jason: You’re listening to what he’s saying when he says, “Don’t listen to what I say.” So now you’re like, “All right. What do I do now?” Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, turn it off. Right? I’m just going to watch. All right, so let’s bring this home. A game I like to play with all of my guests, one of the more impactful things I’ve gotten out of mastermind groups, particularly mastermind groups where there were no other real estate people involved, I got amazing insights from other people’s businesses and other people’s industries on how it’s impacted my business, and it’s developed a … Well, like we’ve got our own agency now just for real estate investors just based off all the insight I’ve got from other people.

Jason: Amazing.

Matt: Okay, let’s imagine, Jason, you are a real estate investor, and you’re looking for distressed properties. You’re looking for discounted, off-market real estate. Using your superpowers of copy, close, and speaking, what’s the first thing comes to mind of how you go and find those?

Jason: See, the first thing I would do is I would put out an ad in a newspaper calling people who had recently lost their jobs or something like that, been laid off from work, or just calling out to people who were in a crunch and needed money to sell their home. I don’t know if that makes perfect sense, but that would be the first thing I would do. I would use copy, and I’d put ads in the newspaper.

And I might even do it … Now see, this is where I would get tricky. I might even not say I’m looking to buy homes or anything like that. I might say that I’m a publisher for a national magazine, where we’re looking to interview and feature people who were recently laid off, or people who are looking to sell their homes, or they need to skip out of town really fast or something like that. That way people put their guard down. You get a bigger response because they think they’re going to be featured in a magazine, and then you interview them for the magazine, but the interview is secretly a sales interview and you close them right after the interview.

Matt: Got it.

Jason: That make sense?

Matt: Yeah. A little ninja-like.

Jason: Yeah, well, so I’ll tell you where you get the idea. For a lot of my students, we help them get local businesses as clients, and a lot of them would go door-to-door. You go to a shopping center, and you just go to every single store in the shopping center and try and find the manager or the owner. And, of course, some gatekeeper is like, “Nope, get out of here. Nope get out of here.”

So, I taught them to go in there and don’t sell. Look to give. Go in there and say, “Hey, I’m the publisher for this local marketing newsletter. I’d love to interview and feature you guys in the newsletter. Can I speak to the owner to get a quote from him for our next issue?” And now, because you’re coming with value, owner goes, “Yeah, I’d love to get featured,” and then the question, of course, is some type of problem or awareness question.

So, you’re asking the question, you get the quote, and then after the interview you go, “By the way, that problem you said you had, can you tell me a little bit more about that?” And it goes right into a sales interview right there. So, it’s kind of that same kind of idea.

Matt: But do they actually have a newsletter?

Jason: Well, what is a newsletter?

Matt: Right.

Jason: It’s an email.

Matt: It’s an email?

Jason: That’s all it is. Yeah. They actually do print a newsletter, and what they’ll do is, in addition to trying to close that person, after they get the question they’ll say, “Hey, do you want me to add you to the newsletter so you can see your quote?” “Yup.” The person says yes, so now they’re building up a big-ass newsletter of local businesses at the same time.

Matt: I like it.

Jason: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, there’s some stuff in there. There’s some good stuff. Good answer, Jase.

Jason: Cool enough.

Matt: It’s been a pleasure. If someone wanted to get in touch with you, what would be the best way for them to do that?

Jason: The best way by far … All right. I’ll just blame you and say I’m going to pitch here for about 30 seconds, something about [crosstalk 00:32:06]-

Matt: Please, go.

Jason: … to get into. I recently challenged myself to create 100 millionaire students in the next three years. I just started a couple months ago. I have two millionaire students so far, the first couple months. Obviously, I got a ways to go. What I’m doing is every single week, on a live Zoom call like this with a whole group, I am training people in high-income skills from every single industry, real estate included, and we go for an hour. I answer your questions. I basically personally mentor you in the same way I mentor all my different millionaire students. It’s every single week. The group is amazing.

We’ve had a few thousand people already join, and it’s like Netflix for entrepreneurs. It’s 10 bucks a month, $9.95 a month. It’s almost nothing. A live call every single week. So, if anyone wants me to personally mentor them every single week and join us in the group, I would say get your butt in there, and they can find that at So, just the letter J and then

Matt: Got it. Perfect. I did have one more question, [inaudible 00:32:58] I want [crosstalk 00:32:58]

Jason: [crosstalk 00:32:58] yeah.

Matt: It’s if there were three guiding principles for your success, what would they be?

Jason: The first one is kaizen, by far. Everything in my life is kaizen. Just get a little bit better every single day. My implementation of this is I study for 60 minutes every single day. I take Sundays off, but every single day I carve out an hour to study a course, a book, something to keep working and mastering my craft.

The second thing is the morning ritual. I think that’s so freaking important. I’m a huge fan of Robin Sharma, who has a great book called the 5 AM Club, and you can read more about how to implement your own morning ritual based on all his teachings, which are fantastic.

So, we got kaizen. We got the 5 AM Club. And then the third one, I would say, is just leading with value in everything that I do. Never thinking, “How can I get,” always thinking, “How can I give to this person?” I just think of it as I’m storing favors in everyone’s back pocket. That’s all I want to do. I just want to store favors in everyone’s back pocket by giving them, giving, giving so that when I need to ask later, there’s no pitch that needs to be made. It’s just, “Hey, man. Can you do this?” And the answer’s usually yes.

Matt: Nice. Lovely. Let’s see, so kaizen, constant and never-ending improving, we’ve got the morning ritual so we start the day the same every day, and then leading with value.

Jason: Yeah, man.

Matt: What can you give versus what can you get, right?

Jason: Yep.

Matt: Super. I think there’s a ton of stuff in there. And then one thing, go back, if you wanted to recommend one book on how to become a good copywriter, what would that book be?

Jason: Good question. The book, by far, as my dogs go crazy over here, is a book called Breakthrough Advertising, which is a classic copywriting book. It’s kind of hard to find a copy on Amazon, but that book is insanely insightful. I had lunch last week with a guy named Craig Clemens, who’s probably the best copywriter on the planet. All the top copywriters will tell you Craig is brilliant. He actually started with Eben Pagan back in the day.

All right, I was talking with Craig, and we both were talking about this book here, and he goes, “Does everyone ask me how to write copy?” And I tell him, “I literally can’t tell you anything that’s not in that book, Breakthrough Advertising. It’s all there.”

Matt: Sweet.

Jason: That’s where to start.

Matt: All right, I’ll check it out. Because us over here as real estate investors, we’re actually marketers first, and so I think … I didn’t anticipate this coming up, but I think copy is a great skill, an additional skill that we can all add to our tool box. Right?

Jason: Absolutely, man.

Matt: Sweet. Well, thanks, Jase. I’ll see you again. Let’s do it again, all right?

Jason: All right, man. Talk to you soon.

Matt: Right, take care. Alrighty, God bless to your success. I’m Matt Theriault. I’ll see you next week on another episode of Thought Leader Thursday. Take care.

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